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		<title>World Peace out of stock</title>
		<link>https://whats.all.this.brouhaha.com/2008/07/09/world-peace-out-of-stock/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[My friend Sellam Ismail is going to visit this weekend, and I might sell him a computer. I also might have a coin-op video game for him. In an email exchange to make plans, he asked: Do you need anything &#8230; <a href="https://whats.all.this.brouhaha.com/2008/07/09/world-peace-out-of-stock/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend Sellam Ismail is going to visit this weekend, and I might sell him a computer.  I also might have a coin-op video game for him.  In an email exchange to make plans, he asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Do you need anything from me?</p></blockquote>
<p>I replied:</p>
<blockquote><p>World peace, or failing that, maybe some whirled peas?</p></blockquote>
<p>And his response was:</p>
<blockquote><p>I do not currently have the resources necessary to overthrow the current US government and re-instate the Constitution, which would contribute to a more stable world order, so I will procure some whirled peas for you.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Should we stay or should we go?</title>
		<link>https://whats.all.this.brouhaha.com/2007/07/09/should-we-stay-or-should-we-go/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A friend pointed out Natan Sharansky&#8217;s article &#8220;Leave Iraq and Brace for a Bigger Bloodbath&#8221; in the Washington Post. I don&#8217;t disagree with any of Mr. Sharansky&#8217;s facts or general reasoning, but yet clearly favor a different course of action &#8230; <a href="https://whats.all.this.brouhaha.com/2007/07/09/should-we-stay-or-should-we-go/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend pointed out Natan Sharansky&#8217;s article &#8220;<a href="http://whats.all.this.brouhaha.com/wp-admin/As%20The%20Clash%20said,%20%20If%20I%20go%20there%20will%20be%20trouble,%20and%20if%20I%20stay%20it%20will%20be%20double." title="Leave Iraq and Brace for a Bigger Bloodbath" target="_blank">Leave Iraq and Brace for a Bigger Bloodbath</a>&#8221; in the Washington Post.  I don&#8217;t disagree with any of Mr. Sharansky&#8217;s facts or general reasoning, but yet clearly favor a different course of action for the US.</p>
<blockquote><p>No one can know for sure whether President Bush&#8217;s &#8220;surge&#8221; of U.S. troops in Iraq will succeed.</p></blockquote>
<p>For certain?  No.  But in my opinion it can be stated with a fairly high degree of confidence that it has already failed.  It definitely has not met GWB&#8217;s benchmarks.  Proponents of the surge point out that some other metrics show improvement, and I don&#8217;t dispute that, but there are also metrics that have gotten worse.  If the surge is not achieving its stated objective, <strong>and</strong> cannot be shown to be unambiguously beneficial, then it is a waste of money and (more importantly) lives.</p>
<p>GWB will of course try to claim after the fact that it was the right thing to do even though his reasons were wrong.   That&#8217;s what he&#8217;s said about the war in general.  I expect that he&#8217;ll also say that the plan would have worked if the surge had been bigger.  Politicians <strong>always</strong> say that about failed plans, because there&#8217;s no way to refute a counterfactual conditional like that.</p>
<blockquote><p>A precipitous withdrawal of U.S. forces could lead to a bloodbath that would make the current carnage pale by comparison.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d go even further than that, and say that it <strong>would</strong> lead to such a bloodbath.  Despite that, I&#8217;m still in favor of withdrawing our troops, though perhaps on a two year timetable).</p>
<p>There will be problems when we eventually leave, no matter how long we stay.  But if we don&#8217;t have a plan and schedule to withdraw our troops, the Iraqi government will not prepare (to the best of their ability) to take effective control.</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t stay there forever, and there&#8217;s no obvious reason to believe that staying there in force for another n years before beginning a gradual withdrawal of troops will yield any better result than starting such a withdrawal today.  In fact, it clearly will yield worse results, in terms of greater US casualties.</p>
<p>The only argument for maintaining our forces there that I find to be even partially credible is that since we broke it, we&#8217;re responsible for fixing it.  However, that only justifies courses of action that can reasonably be expected to fix it, and I don&#8217;t think there actually is any such course of action.  Certainly GWB has not proposed one.</p>
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		<title>Support our troops!  Bring them home!</title>
		<link>https://whats.all.this.brouhaha.com/2007/05/28/support-our-troops-bring-them-home/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 06:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Disgrace of Memorial Day, by Mark C. Chu-Carroll [h/t DoF]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2007/05/the_disgrace_of_memorial_day.php" title="The Disgrace of Memorial Day" target="_blank">The Disgrace of Memorial Day</a>, by Mark C. Chu-Carroll [h/t <a href="http://www.decrepitoldfool.com/index.php/weblog/comments/truth_in_comics28may07/" title="Truth in comics" target="_blank">DoF</a>]</p>
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		<title>Setting a deadline for withdrawal is setting a date for failure</title>
		<link>https://whats.all.this.brouhaha.com/2007/05/01/setting-a-deadline-for-withdrawal-is-setting-a-date-for-failure/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 06:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#8217;s what President Bush said about his veto of the appropriations bill. He&#8217;s wrong, though. The failure has already occurred, and deploying more troops to Iraq will only cause more American casualties, and probably more Iraqi casualties as well. Support &#8230; <a href="https://whats.all.this.brouhaha.com/2007/05/01/setting-a-deadline-for-withdrawal-is-setting-a-date-for-failure/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070501-6.html" title="decoration  Home &gt; News &amp; Policies &gt; May 2007 	 Printer-Friendly VersionPrinter-Friendly Version   Email this pageEmail This Page  For Immediate Release Office of the Press Secretary May 1, 2007  President Bush Rejects Artificial Deadline, Vetoes Iraq War Supplemental" target="_blank">President Bush said</a> about his veto of the appropriations bill.  He&#8217;s wrong, though.  The failure has already occurred, and deploying more troops to Iraq will only cause more American casualties, and probably more Iraqi casualties as well.</p>
<p>Support our troops!  Bring them home!</p>
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