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		<title>Comment on OnStar Off by Ansley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ansley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, I really don’t take my privacy lightly. I live in a society that values and is concern about privacy just like you. Unfortunately we do not live individual in bubbles. I don’t know if you have travel outside the United State to other less evolve countries, if you have’nt it would be a good educational opportunity for you. Yes I understand that my government, our government does violate many of the rights that we all take for granted and like you I am concern about that as I am sure every civil minded American does but when I look at the freedoms ,though somewhat limited, that I and my family enjoy I find my self having a sort of peace of mind. I am not on any political platform for government or the fears of intrusion into my privacy by government. If I was I would get rid of my sell phones and any electronic device that radiates a signal. 

Do you understand some of the scary things that can be accomplish with cell phones?  If you have an active land line in your home, you have that active microphone in your house that you eluded to. Someone with the right technological know how can make your land line an active microphone and you would have no knowledge of it. They are devices that you and I can purchase today to actively violate anyones privacy we choose to for whatever reason and non of it would be legal. This is just the surface, do you understand now why I as most people are less concern about Onstar or the potential for government to use it to entrude on our percercive privacy?  

Fortunately for us as an Americans we do have a system of rules and laws, however imperfect, that protects and gave us avenues to address the issues and fears that you are concern. Those instances where the government were brought to court is evidence of our collective abilities redress these wrongs. Our society is not perfect and individuals like yourself is needed to remind us of that so I am not suggesting that you change what you doing, just keep in mind that we are not mindless in our perception to things that impact. Take a moment to go ourside your reality to realities of other countries. The global work is shrinking.......think about it. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, I really don’t take my privacy lightly. I live in a society that values and is concern about privacy just like you. Unfortunately we do not live individual in bubbles. I don’t know if you have travel outside the United State to other less evolve countries, if you have’nt it would be a good educational opportunity for you. Yes I understand that my government, our government does violate many of the rights that we all take for granted and like you I am concern about that as I am sure every civil minded American does but when I look at the freedoms ,though somewhat limited, that I and my family enjoy I find my self having a sort of peace of mind. I am not on any political platform for government or the fears of intrusion into my privacy by government. If I was I would get rid of my sell phones and any electronic device that radiates a signal. </p>
<p>Do you understand some of the scary things that can be accomplish with cell phones?  If you have an active land line in your home, you have that active microphone in your house that you eluded to. Someone with the right technological know how can make your land line an active microphone and you would have no knowledge of it. They are devices that you and I can purchase today to actively violate anyones privacy we choose to for whatever reason and non of it would be legal. This is just the surface, do you understand now why I as most people are less concern about Onstar or the potential for government to use it to entrude on our percercive privacy?  </p>
<p>Fortunately for us as an Americans we do have a system of rules and laws, however imperfect, that protects and gave us avenues to address the issues and fears that you are concern. Those instances where the government were brought to court is evidence of our collective abilities redress these wrongs. Our society is not perfect and individuals like yourself is needed to remind us of that so I am not suggesting that you change what you doing, just keep in mind that we are not mindless in our perception to things that impact. Take a moment to go ourside your reality to realities of other countries. The global work is shrinking&#8230;&#8230;.think about it. <img src='http://whats.all.this.brouhaha.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on OnStar Off by Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ansley,

Suppose there was a new service that would install a small device with a microphone and speaker in each room of your house, with panic buttons, so that in an emergency you could just press a button and communicate with the authorities.  This could improve your safety, right?  Now suppose you found out that the authorities could at any time, without your knowledge or consent, eavesdrop on you anywhere in your house.  Would you still want the system installed in your house?

This is what OnStar does in your car.

OnStar does provide a valuable service, so it should be up to you as the car owner to decide whether you want it.  However, OnStar should tell you up front about the possible surveillance, or you can&#039;t make a properly informed decision.

You are using the argument that the innocent have nothing to fear, and that the police and FBI aren&#039;t likely to put you under surveillance.  That is completely missing the point.  The innocent need privacy just as much as anyone, and a system that can easily compromise that privacy WILL be abused.

Even if the police and the FBI never abused it, which is unlikely given how many other abuses of power they&#039;ve been caught on, it&#039;s also possible that a third party could abuse it.  The system operates over the public cellular phone network, and it would only take knowledge of your OnStar unit&#039;s phone number, and some technical expertise about the workings of OnStar, to spoof the system and eavesdrop on you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ansley,</p>
<p>Suppose there was a new service that would install a small device with a microphone and speaker in each room of your house, with panic buttons, so that in an emergency you could just press a button and communicate with the authorities.  This could improve your safety, right?  Now suppose you found out that the authorities could at any time, without your knowledge or consent, eavesdrop on you anywhere in your house.  Would you still want the system installed in your house?</p>
<p>This is what OnStar does in your car.</p>
<p>OnStar does provide a valuable service, so it should be up to you as the car owner to decide whether you want it.  However, OnStar should tell you up front about the possible surveillance, or you can&#8217;t make a properly informed decision.</p>
<p>You are using the argument that the innocent have nothing to fear, and that the police and FBI aren&#8217;t likely to put you under surveillance.  That is completely missing the point.  The innocent need privacy just as much as anyone, and a system that can easily compromise that privacy WILL be abused.</p>
<p>Even if the police and the FBI never abused it, which is unlikely given how many other abuses of power they&#8217;ve been caught on, it&#8217;s also possible that a third party could abuse it.  The system operates over the public cellular phone network, and it would only take knowledge of your OnStar unit&#8217;s phone number, and some technical expertise about the workings of OnStar, to spoof the system and eavesdrop on you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on OnStar Off by Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ansley,

Suppose there was a new service that would install a small device with a microphone and speaker in each room of your house, with panic buttons, so that in an emergency you could just press a button and communicate with th</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ansley,</p>
<p>Suppose there was a new service that would install a small device with a microphone and speaker in each room of your house, with panic buttons, so that in an emergency you could just press a button and communicate with th</p>
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		<title>Comment on OnStar Off by Ansley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ansley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, I appriciate your concern about the protection of the right to privacy. But lets be realistic here. We violate our own right to privacy everyday when we choose to use a credit card to make a purchase knowing full well that merchant track our spending habits and the credit card companies has a record of what and where you made your purchase. You go on line by choice even in this forum, there is a record that is beyond your ability to control. We gave out so much information about ourselves in our daily exchanges with others intentionally of otherwise that the issue of privacy becomes less important to us unless we mention the actions of government in our lives. Then the Right Of Privacy becomes a big issue. The real issue should be the Right Of Freedom Vs The Right Of Privacy. We want these rights to freedom to be protected and guaranteed by government but don’t infringe on our precious right to privacy to do so. 

This brings me to Onstar. My safety and the safety of my family has top priority in my reality. The world we live in today is far more dangerous than prior years because most everyone drives a car and everyone wants to be where they want to be yesterday. Onstar provides me the security of knowing that I have connection to emergency resources when seconds counts. The hands free feature allows me safe communication accessabillity without endangering my self or others because of inattentive driving habits. There are other valuable intergrated systems that gave me peace of mind as I navigate the complexities of every day life. At no time as I go about my day do I worry about of my government is listening to my conversation or monitoring where I am going. This is the realities of my world and I hope it similar to those that share this world with me. 

This application of fear about big brother is watching you has its merits to those who subscribe to those concerns. But in a pratical sense I have not real concerns because this technology works both ways. Show me all they ways this technology is detrimental to our right to privacy and i’ll show you several ways this technology enhances our right to safety and security. You might ask at what price and I’ll say, it like buying insurance. its your individual circumstance that matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, I appriciate your concern about the protection of the right to privacy. But lets be realistic here. We violate our own right to privacy everyday when we choose to use a credit card to make a purchase knowing full well that merchant track our spending habits and the credit card companies has a record of what and where you made your purchase. You go on line by choice even in this forum, there is a record that is beyond your ability to control. We gave out so much information about ourselves in our daily exchanges with others intentionally of otherwise that the issue of privacy becomes less important to us unless we mention the actions of government in our lives. Then the Right Of Privacy becomes a big issue. The real issue should be the Right Of Freedom Vs The Right Of Privacy. We want these rights to freedom to be protected and guaranteed by government but don’t infringe on our precious right to privacy to do so. </p>
<p>This brings me to Onstar. My safety and the safety of my family has top priority in my reality. The world we live in today is far more dangerous than prior years because most everyone drives a car and everyone wants to be where they want to be yesterday. Onstar provides me the security of knowing that I have connection to emergency resources when seconds counts. The hands free feature allows me safe communication accessabillity without endangering my self or others because of inattentive driving habits. There are other valuable intergrated systems that gave me peace of mind as I navigate the complexities of every day life. At no time as I go about my day do I worry about of my government is listening to my conversation or monitoring where I am going. This is the realities of my world and I hope it similar to those that share this world with me. </p>
<p>This application of fear about big brother is watching you has its merits to those who subscribe to those concerns. But in a pratical sense I have not real concerns because this technology works both ways. Show me all they ways this technology is detrimental to our right to privacy and i’ll show you several ways this technology enhances our right to safety and security. You might ask at what price and I’ll say, it like buying insurance. its your individual circumstance that matters.</p>
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		<title>Comment on OnStar Off by Freddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does anyone know were the onstar unit is located on a 08 Malibu

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does anyone know were the onstar unit is located on a 08 Malibu</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>Comment on OnStar Off by Freddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I unplug my onstar fuse in my 2008 Malibu will this disable the onstar from be track in the event of a crash, I just dont want the repo man to find me just yet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I unplug my onstar fuse in my 2008 Malibu will this disable the onstar from be track in the event of a crash, I just dont want the repo man to find me just yet</p>
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		<title>Comment on OnStar Off by Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The industry term that you are looking for related to data logging is &quot;Event Data Recorder&quot; and the device that is used to recover the data is called &quot;Crash Data Retrieval System&quot;.

Go to the &quot;Vehicles with an EDR on board&quot; link on this page to see a list of all cars with an EDR installed:
http://www.harristechnical.com/cdr.htm

If you want to buy your own CDR system go here:
http://www.cdr-system.com/

Good day to all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The industry term that you are looking for related to data logging is &#8220;Event Data Recorder&#8221; and the device that is used to recover the data is called &#8220;Crash Data Retrieval System&#8221;.</p>
<p>Go to the &#8220;Vehicles with an EDR on board&#8221; link on this page to see a list of all cars with an EDR installed:<br />
<a href="http://www.harristechnical.com/cdr.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.harristechnical.com/cdr.htm</a></p>
<p>If you want to buy your own CDR system go here:<br />
<a href="http://www.cdr-system.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cdr-system.com/</a></p>
<p>Good day to all</p>
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		<title>Comment on Nonpareil status by Peter Simpson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Eric -

I&#039;m a very happy user of the HP41 in Nonpareil.  If there were one enhancement I would choose, it would be the ability to support the Application packs.  I know this involves creating a whole mechanism for assigning base addresses based on which slot the cartridge is plugged into, but it seems a shame not to be able to use all those wonderful apps.

Anyway, thanks for Nonpareil, it&#039;s the calculator that sits open on my Linux desktop all day at work.

Happy New Year!
Peter Simpson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eric -</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a very happy user of the HP41 in Nonpareil.  If there were one enhancement I would choose, it would be the ability to support the Application packs.  I know this involves creating a whole mechanism for assigning base addresses based on which slot the cartridge is plugged into, but it seems a shame not to be able to use all those wonderful apps.</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for Nonpareil, it&#8217;s the calculator that sits open on my Linux desktop all day at work.</p>
<p>Happy New Year!<br />
Peter Simpson</p>
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		<title>Comment on OnStar Off by thanix</title>
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		<dc:creator>thanix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google, no, I mean use startpage (google is cia) Alex Jones. Listen,(ignore his rants) learn and get a clue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google, no, I mean use startpage (google is cia) Alex Jones. Listen,(ignore his rants) learn and get a clue.</p>
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		<title>Comment on OnStar Off by Jody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so its pretty obvious that there are people on this forum  who&#039;s sole purpose is to convince others that this technology &quot;On Star&quot; is innocent and more the likely more the just this On Star employee works for On Star or the agencies monitoring people. Any person with a brain will realize, based on not only the fact that the FBI was caught miss-using this system, and also based on the fact that the more time that goes by the less rights we seem to have to our privacy and our minds....but enough of that.....i want to know where the camera is....i had a lady at work sent a &quot;advertisement&quot; in the mail from On Star, and the pic that was next to the words &quot;Are you ready for winter&quot; was a picture of her sweeping the snow off her car, it was her coat, her backyard in the background and the bottom of her face, you can&#039;t see all her face because she is scraping snow off the window. But there is No arguing its not her. It is her.  That is enough for me to ask how the hell do i remove this camera and recording device from my car? I did not want nor ask for that when buying it. And i Bloody well should have the right to my own privacy if anything. I&quot;m not a sheep or a cattle or a criminal for that matter, and the fact that i can&#039;t even jump into my own car without the worry of someone snapping a pic of me? no thank you. anyone know where the camera&#039;s are? i heard that they are mounted on the sides somewhere of the rear view mirror? not sure....but i&#039;m gonna start looking..... take a pic of that! i&#039;m pretty sure i have the right to remove On Star if i so choose.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so its pretty obvious that there are people on this forum  who&#8217;s sole purpose is to convince others that this technology &#8220;On Star&#8221; is innocent and more the likely more the just this On Star employee works for On Star or the agencies monitoring people. Any person with a brain will realize, based on not only the fact that the FBI was caught miss-using this system, and also based on the fact that the more time that goes by the less rights we seem to have to our privacy and our minds&#8230;.but enough of that&#8230;..i want to know where the camera is&#8230;.i had a lady at work sent a &#8220;advertisement&#8221; in the mail from On Star, and the pic that was next to the words &#8220;Are you ready for winter&#8221; was a picture of her sweeping the snow off her car, it was her coat, her backyard in the background and the bottom of her face, you can&#8217;t see all her face because she is scraping snow off the window. But there is No arguing its not her. It is her.  That is enough for me to ask how the hell do i remove this camera and recording device from my car? I did not want nor ask for that when buying it. And i Bloody well should have the right to my own privacy if anything. I&#8221;m not a sheep or a cattle or a criminal for that matter, and the fact that i can&#8217;t even jump into my own car without the worry of someone snapping a pic of me? no thank you. anyone know where the camera&#8217;s are? i heard that they are mounted on the sides somewhere of the rear view mirror? not sure&#8230;.but i&#8217;m gonna start looking&#8230;.. take a pic of that! i&#8217;m pretty sure i have the right to remove On Star if i so choose&#8230;..</p>
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