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		<title>By: hoofhearted</title>
		<link>http://whats.all.this.brouhaha.com/2005/09/15/onstar-off/comment-page-3/#comment-13361</link>
		<dc:creator>hoofhearted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I am reading about all this nifty functionality based on the internal GPS and cellphone in the OnStar unit.  I bought a Yukon in 05 and used the free year of OnStar, but didn&#039;t want to continue to pay, so cancelled it.  I paid cash for the car, so I feel that it is mine including all hardware within.  I would love to be able to take over all this nifty hardware and be able to do what an OnStar operator can do remotely from my home PC.  Is this possible?  I have read some pages where people have taken over the GPS and linked it to their homegrown navigation system and others where they have take over the audio functions.  I want more, I want to be able to unlock my doors from my PC.  Technically, I know it is possible, because the OnStar operators posses no &quot;magic&quot;.  Has this been done?  Any links to some nice &quot;hack&quot; pages?  Or if the encryption of the OnStar is so infeasible to crack, can you purchase a replacement unit that you can plug your own sim car into or such?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I am reading about all this nifty functionality based on the internal GPS and cellphone in the OnStar unit.  I bought a Yukon in 05 and used the free year of OnStar, but didn&#8217;t want to continue to pay, so cancelled it.  I paid cash for the car, so I feel that it is mine including all hardware within.  I would love to be able to take over all this nifty hardware and be able to do what an OnStar operator can do remotely from my home PC.  Is this possible?  I have read some pages where people have taken over the GPS and linked it to their homegrown navigation system and others where they have take over the audio functions.  I want more, I want to be able to unlock my doors from my PC.  Technically, I know it is possible, because the OnStar operators posses no &#8220;magic&#8221;.  Has this been done?  Any links to some nice &#8220;hack&#8221; pages?  Or if the encryption of the OnStar is so infeasible to crack, can you purchase a replacement unit that you can plug your own sim car into or such?</p>
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		<title>By: f9pro</title>
		<link>http://whats.all.this.brouhaha.com/2005/09/15/onstar-off/comment-page-3/#comment-12993</link>
		<dc:creator>f9pro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 18:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think as vehicle owners we have the right to CHOOSE if we want to be tracked/monitored or not. As of 12/2011 Onstar removes that choice unless you call them and have the data connection disabled. This means by default Onstar is watching you.   I cancelled my subscription, requested data connection be disabled and had the antenna connection removed

I did all of that BECAUSE I  HAD THE CHOICE TO DO SO.

If Onstar wants to collect data/track customers and sell the information to third parties then I will NEVER be a customer again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think as vehicle owners we have the right to CHOOSE if we want to be tracked/monitored or not. As of 12/2011 Onstar removes that choice unless you call them and have the data connection disabled. This means by default Onstar is watching you.   I cancelled my subscription, requested data connection be disabled and had the antenna connection removed</p>
<p>I did all of that BECAUSE I  HAD THE CHOICE TO DO SO.</p>
<p>If Onstar wants to collect data/track customers and sell the information to third parties then I will NEVER be a customer again!</p>
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		<title>By: daniel</title>
		<link>http://whats.all.this.brouhaha.com/2005/09/15/onstar-off/comment-page-3/#comment-12893</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 05:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kinda funny to read the arguments that disabling this is silly and paranoid... It&#039;s all over the news today that they&#039;ve been abusing the hell out of this system for years whether you&#039;re subscribed or not...

A Cobain lyric comes to mind... &#039;just because you&#039;re paranoid don&#039;t mean they&#039;re not after you...&#039; ...heh

the truth is history is a chronology of abuse of privlige... and the mass graves of those who thought we were better than that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kinda funny to read the arguments that disabling this is silly and paranoid&#8230; It&#8217;s all over the news today that they&#8217;ve been abusing the hell out of this system for years whether you&#8217;re subscribed or not&#8230;</p>
<p>A Cobain lyric comes to mind&#8230; &#8216;just because you&#8217;re paranoid don&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re not after you&#8230;&#8217; &#8230;heh</p>
<p>the truth is history is a chronology of abuse of privlige&#8230; and the mass graves of those who thought we were better than that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://whats.all.this.brouhaha.com/2005/09/15/onstar-off/comment-page-3/#comment-12082</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 12:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a postscript to the above post.

Many paranoid types have been posting about the 3-letter agencies that star in Hollywood productions (CIA, NSA, DOD . . . )

What&#039;s the 3-letter agency you *really* want to be concerned about, though, should they decide they&#039;d like to track you or eavesdrop on your conversations for a while?

The IRS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a postscript to the above post.</p>
<p>Many paranoid types have been posting about the 3-letter agencies that star in Hollywood productions (CIA, NSA, DOD . . . )</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the 3-letter agency you *really* want to be concerned about, though, should they decide they&#8217;d like to track you or eavesdrop on your conversations for a while?</p>
<p>The IRS</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://whats.all.this.brouhaha.com/2005/09/15/onstar-off/comment-page-3/#comment-12080</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 11:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Dave &gt; Disconnecting the antenna isn&#039;t enough.  If the unit still has power it will have a reduced capacity to receive the GPS satellite signal and communicate with the cellular network, but in many cases it will still be able to do so, just through the coax connection.   Turn the power off by disconnecting its power connector physically.  Better yet- take the unit right out of the vehicle.

A lot of people are posting &quot;how tos&quot; on disabling or removing OnStar boxes.  Just search &quot;how to disconnect onstar gps unit&quot; and a ton of pages will come up.  There are ones specific for most models now too.

To all the people discussing real-time monitoring: yes, officials from various 3-letter agencies can indeed turn on your microphone, listen to what you&#039;re saying as you say it, and watch where your vehicle is going on a map in real time.

Have a look here: http://www.tonyrogers.com/news/onstar.htm

It&#039;s done through the cellular system, not via some &quot;satellite signal&quot;.  All they have to do is cough up a warrant and OnStar will give them full, real-time access.  Note that, thanks to the Patriot Act, some agencies can even write their own warrants without having to do that inconvenient &quot;appear before a judge&quot; thing.

Now get this:

 The fact that you don&#039;t have an OnStar subscription doesn&#039;t stop them from continuing to scoope &amp; store your data, as described in the blog post.

Here&#039;s the kicker, though.  Even if you ask them to &quot;turn off&quot; your OnStar unit data collection, all it means is that they deactivate the wireless connection and stop collecting data.

If someone comes calling with a warrant that convinces them, they can reactivate the wireless connection and give your 3-letter friends complete real time access to your location &amp; conversations.

The only way to avoid being monitored via you OnStar unit is to physically power it off.  Preferrably, you should remove it from the vehicle.

 (Note, I avoided using the phrase &quot;valid warrant&quot;.  Valid or not, it just has to convnce the OnStar person to do what they want them to do)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Dave &gt; Disconnecting the antenna isn&#8217;t enough.  If the unit still has power it will have a reduced capacity to receive the GPS satellite signal and communicate with the cellular network, but in many cases it will still be able to do so, just through the coax connection.   Turn the power off by disconnecting its power connector physically.  Better yet- take the unit right out of the vehicle.</p>
<p>A lot of people are posting &#8220;how tos&#8221; on disabling or removing OnStar boxes.  Just search &#8220;how to disconnect onstar gps unit&#8221; and a ton of pages will come up.  There are ones specific for most models now too.</p>
<p>To all the people discussing real-time monitoring: yes, officials from various 3-letter agencies can indeed turn on your microphone, listen to what you&#8217;re saying as you say it, and watch where your vehicle is going on a map in real time.</p>
<p>Have a look here: <a href="http://www.tonyrogers.com/news/onstar.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.tonyrogers.com/news/onstar.htm</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s done through the cellular system, not via some &#8220;satellite signal&#8221;.  All they have to do is cough up a warrant and OnStar will give them full, real-time access.  Note that, thanks to the Patriot Act, some agencies can even write their own warrants without having to do that inconvenient &#8220;appear before a judge&#8221; thing.</p>
<p>Now get this:</p>
<p> The fact that you don&#8217;t have an OnStar subscription doesn&#8217;t stop them from continuing to scoope &amp; store your data, as described in the blog post.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the kicker, though.  Even if you ask them to &#8220;turn off&#8221; your OnStar unit data collection, all it means is that they deactivate the wireless connection and stop collecting data.</p>
<p>If someone comes calling with a warrant that convinces them, they can reactivate the wireless connection and give your 3-letter friends complete real time access to your location &amp; conversations.</p>
<p>The only way to avoid being monitored via you OnStar unit is to physically power it off.  Preferrably, you should remove it from the vehicle.</p>
<p> (Note, I avoided using the phrase &#8220;valid warrant&#8221;.  Valid or not, it just has to convnce the OnStar person to do what they want them to do)</p>
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		<title>By: Coot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 23:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the possibility of governmental snooping or spying by anyone else, it reminds me of a few great quotes I once heard;
1. &quot;The person who would trade his liberty for security deserves neither&quot; unknown
2. &quot;This republic was not established by cowards; and cowards will not preserve it. ~~Elmer Davis 
3. &quot;The perfect slave thinks he&#039;s free.&quot;  unknown

As for me, I will disconnect it. I have lived a long life. And much of it was without seat belts, helmets, cell phones and OnStar. While they are great inventions, they do not provide me with more liberty. And I am perfectly capable of calling for a Cop or a Fireman. I pay for my insurance and I own a gun or two or three. I think I feel secure enough without giving up anything else. History shows us that females tend to seek security at the cost of freedom. And males seek freedom and liberty at the cost of his life sometimes. It&#039;s just nature. So I&#039;ll teach my wife to shoot so she won&#039;t trade our freedoms for security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the possibility of governmental snooping or spying by anyone else, it reminds me of a few great quotes I once heard;<br />
1. &#8220;The person who would trade his liberty for security deserves neither&#8221; unknown<br />
2. &#8220;This republic was not established by cowards; and cowards will not preserve it. ~~Elmer Davis<br />
3. &#8220;The perfect slave thinks he&#8217;s free.&#8221;  unknown</p>
<p>As for me, I will disconnect it. I have lived a long life. And much of it was without seat belts, helmets, cell phones and OnStar. While they are great inventions, they do not provide me with more liberty. And I am perfectly capable of calling for a Cop or a Fireman. I pay for my insurance and I own a gun or two or three. I think I feel secure enough without giving up anything else. History shows us that females tend to seek security at the cost of freedom. And males seek freedom and liberty at the cost of his life sometimes. It&#8217;s just nature. So I&#8217;ll teach my wife to shoot so she won&#8217;t trade our freedoms for security.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://whats.all.this.brouhaha.com/2005/09/15/onstar-off/comment-page-3/#comment-12008</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They claim to have the right to sell your location and speed data &lt;b&gt;even if you don&#039;t subscribe to the service!&lt;/b&gt;  One more reason to physically disconnect your OnStar unit.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=1270&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jonathan Zdziarski&#039;s blog post&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/09/onstar-tracks-you/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wired article&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.onstar.com/tunnel-web/webdav/portal/document_library/downloadable/PrivacyStatement-2011-USE.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;OnStar Privacy Statement&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They claim to have the right to sell your location and speed data <b>even if you don&#8217;t subscribe to the service!</b>  One more reason to physically disconnect your OnStar unit.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=1270" rel="nofollow">Jonathan Zdziarski&#8217;s blog post</a><br />
<a href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/09/onstar-tracks-you/" rel="nofollow">Wired article</a><br />
<a href="http://www.onstar.com/tunnel-web/webdav/portal/document_library/downloadable/PrivacyStatement-2011-USE.pdf" rel="nofollow">OnStar Privacy Statement</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://whats.all.this.brouhaha.com/2005/09/15/onstar-off/comment-page-3/#comment-12007</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/privacy_advocates_miffed_onstars_revised_cancellation_policy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/privacy_advocates_miffed_onstars_revised_cancellation_policy" rel="nofollow">http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/privacy_advocates_miffed_onstars_revised_cancellation_policy</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks might want to check out the new privacy policy that goes into effect in Dec. 2011.  The will have the right to sell data from your OnStar</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks might want to check out the new privacy policy that goes into effect in Dec. 2011.  The will have the right to sell data from your OnStar</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 23:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>disconnect the antenna .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>disconnect the antenna .</p>
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